Mrs. Gibson. To his ideas as to how he thought. You couldn't change his mind no matter what you said to him.
Mr. Jenner. He was rigid in his views then?
Mrs. Gibson. Very, very rigid in his ideas.
Mr. Jenner. What did he say about Russia during these periods when you had these discussions?
Mrs. Gibson. Well, he said he was very disappointed in Russia. Russia was not what he thought it would be. It was not the ideal place, that Communism was not the ideal government, that he disliked Communism just as he disliked capitalism, that he disliked Russia very much.
Mr. Jenner. Did he tell you about his life in Russia? You were curious about it and your husband too, I assume?
Mrs. Gibson. Yes; he told us bits and pieces about it, and then of course he gave us a manuscript to read. He told us quite a bit about Russia, yes.
Mr. Jenner. Would you please state what you recall as to what he said in that connection?
Mrs. Gibson. Well, I can't recall any specific thing. I recall that he said he was quite sick over there; this didn't hold too well. He said he was treated with a little more deference than the next ordinary Russian person because he was American, that he had a terrific time leaving Russia, and that it scared him very much.
Mr. Jenner. You mean terrific in the sense of difficulty?