Mr. Griffin. How high is that rail?

Mr. Newman. It isn't over 3 feet.

Mr. Griffin. Is it a solid thing or is it a metal set——

Mr. Newman. Just made of pipes.

Mr. Griffin. Is it any different from the railings that's along the Commerce Street ramp?

Mr. Newman. Same type railing, I believe.

Mr. Griffin. Same type of railing. And the railing that's marked in solid on the other side of the entrance to the garage next to the chief parking area, which I will also label rail, that's the same kind of railing as the ones over near the TV cameras?

Mr. Newman. Yes.

Mr. Griffin. So, your vision from where you were standing was not substantially obstructed by any permanent parts of the building, from where the marked curb on the ramp is, all the way down, perhaps to this, all the way down to this railing here [indicating]?

Mr. Newman. It was somewhat obstructed by these columns, but nothing to keep me from getting an overall view of the area.