Mr. Newman. That's correct.
Mr. Hubert. In other words, there was a man climbing over the rail, and there was a man coming down the Main Street ramp, and as far as you know they are two different episodes?
Mr. Newman. Two different things.
Mr. Hubert. Two different things. All right. We got a lot clarified there. Now, I think the other point is when did each of these happen, and let's take, first of all, the man coming down the ramp.
Mr. Newman. This, as I stated there, was, as near as I can estimate, approximately 1 minute or less prior to the shooting.
Mr. Hubert. I think you said in your statement that because of the various conditions existing you could not identify the man by name or sight or anything of that sort?
Mr. Newman. No.
Mr. Hubert. That is to say when he was coming down the ramp?
Mr. Newman. That's correct. I have also—I have never made any estimate.
Mr. Hubert. No; that's correct. I didn't mean to intimate that you had. It is a fact that a man coming down—that you did see a man coming down, but you really don't know who he is, and that never have known?