Mr. Newman. That's correct.

Mr. Hubert. You have, of course, seen pictures and so forth of Jack Ruby since?

Mr. Newman. That's right.

Mr. Hubert. Would you say that the man coming down the ramp was Jack Ruby?

Mr. Newman. No; I wouldn't. By the same token, I wouldn't say that he wasn't.

Mr. Hubert. In other words, you can't say whether he was or wasn't?

Mr. Newman. That's right. I just didn't pay that much attention to it at the time.

Mr. Hubert. And that was definitely about a minute before the shooting?

Mr. Newman. That's correct.

Mr. Hubert. So, I think we have that one clarified, so far as that is concerned.