Mr. Vaughn. Yes.

Mr. Hubert. Do you know his name?

Mr. Vaughn. Tom Chabot [spelling] C-h-a-b-o-t—I don't think I can spell it actually—anyway, Chabot.

Mr. Hubert. When did he enter the basement?

Mr. Vaughn. Oh, this was somewhat earlier—he pulled up in a city squad car and started into the ramp.

Mr. Hubert. How much earlier was it, and earlier than what?

Mr. Vaughn. It was, I would say—it was approximately—just an estimate, it would be somewhere around 10 o'clock.

Mr. Hubert. In other words, this man Chabot went into the basement about an hour and 20 minutes before the shooting?

Mr. Vaughn. Somewhere around there—like I said—it would strictly be an estimate on the time.

Mr. Hubert. What happened—he tried or he went through?