Mr. Hubert. Now on that same map would you put a mark which I am also going to circle later and identify as to the spot as best you can recollect it where you first saw Ruby coming out.
Lieutenant Wiggins. The spot where he was?
Mr. Hubert. Where he was.
Lieutenant Wiggins. When I saw him?
Mr. Hubert. Yes; the spot where he was when you saw him. Now, look at the mockup first and get your distances.
Lieutenant Wiggins. I have an idea or just about——
Mr. Hubert. Would you just mark it there, the spot there were you first saw Ruby?
Lieutenant Wiggins. Approximately. I could miss this a foot or 2, you understand that?
Mr. Hubert. All right.
Lieutenant Wiggins. All right. Now, your cameras were over here behind the—behind this with the lights, and where I saw him, he was approximately, I'd say, about there [indicating].