Mr. Archer. Yes; they did.
Mr. Hubert. But, they were in your line of vision?
Mr. Archer. Yes, sir; they were.
Mr. Hubert. Tell us what you saw?
Mr. Archer. Well, as they passed in front of me, I could see—I could see the detectives on each side of Oswald leading him towards the ramp. The automobile ramp in the basement. Then as they neared the front of the ramp—now, keeping in mind that in this position that I was in, I did have some bright lights shining into my eyes, and that because of these lights it would be hard for me to recognize someone on the opposite side of the ramp. I mean, you know, without focusing my vision directly on them. In other words, I couldn't take a scanning view and possibly recognize just anyone, but as they approached the ramp, just as they reached the edge of the ramp, I caught a figure of a man. The movement first turned my attention to that point. I had been watching Oswald and the detectives, and more to my right, and then I caught the movement of a man, and my first thought was, as I started moving—well, my first thought was that somebody jumped out of the crowd, maybe to take a sock at him. Someone got emotionally upset and jumped out to take a sock at him and I started to move forward, and as I moved forward I saw the man reach Oswald, raise up, and then the shot was fired.
Mr. Hubert. So you were in motion before the shot was fired?
Mr. Archer. Well, I would say just it would be instantaneous. I mean, when I saw the movement I feel like I started moving, too.
Mr. Hubert. When did you first recognize Ruby?
Mr. Archer. I didn't recognize Ruby at all. I didn't know the man personally, and I didn't know his name (nor I didn't even know who admitted the shooting) until following the shooting when they asked him his name and he said, "You all know me, I'm Jack Ruby."
Mr. Hubert. Was that when he was overpowered?