Mr. Clardy. No, sir; I did not; and approximately 2 or 3 minutes before the shooting I had looked over the crowd in the basement. Why, I don't know.
Mr. Hubert. You did, in fact, look over there?
Mr. Clardy. I had looked up to the right. Lieutenant Smart, and—I think—I am not for sure—Chief Batchelor was with him at the armored truck, and I did look on over the crowd on back around. Now, this could have been more than 3 minutes before the shooting occurred.
Mr. Hubert. Were the conditions such that if Ruby had been standing in that crowd you could have singled him out and seen him?
Mr. Clardy. As many people as there was in there at the time, sir, he could have very easily been behind somebody where I couldn't have seen him.
Mr. Hubert. Just how many people were in that area where Ruby apparently was? I don't mean an accurate count. Of course, you didn't count them.
Mr. Clardy. In the area where I presume that he come from, 12 to 15, on over behind the rail there was quite a few people, whether he come across the rail, whether he come down the ramp, like he told us, I don't know.
Mr. Hubert. But, the Main Street ramp itself going toward Main Street, you figured there were about 15 people?
Mr. Clardy. From along here [indicating].
Mr. Hubert. Don't say "along here," because that won't show up.