Mr. Dean. Okay.
Mr. Griffin. I understand why you want to, but——
Mr. Dean. All right.
Mr. Griffin. Did you hear, between the time that you saw Ruby move toward Oswald and the time that you reached him, did you hear anything said?
Mr. Dean. No, sir.
Mr. Griffin. Now, what did you do when you reached Ruby?
Mr. Dean. Well, I ran to assist, whatever I could do, or assist the officers, not knowing exactly what had happened—or I knew that there had been a shooting. However, they had enough men that were subduing him, and I asked the question, when they had him on the floor inside the jail office, "Who in the world is it?" And——
Mr. Griffin. Couldn't you tell by looking at him?
Mr. Dean. No; at the time I couldn't see him because there were so many over him. And they were—well, his face was hidden from me by the amount of officers that were around him. I said, "Who in the world is it?" And evidently I was talking loud over all the other voices, and evidently Ruby heard me and said, "I am Jack Ruby. You all know me."
Mr. Griffin. And how long did you remain with Jack Ruby there in the jail office?