Mr. Griffin. I see. Were there any police vehicles, and if you don't have any recollection, state that. Do you recall if there were any police vehicles along the railing of the Main Street ramp?

Chief Batchelor. I don't recall. If there were, they were back from this entrance. There weren't any in the immediate entrance to the jail door.

Mr. Griffin. Do you recall if there were any people other than the people manning these TV cameras, behind the railing?

Chief Batchelor. I don't recall that. I don't think there were, because these people here went up to just about where the cameras were. This curved a little bit around here. It wasn't just a straight line. It would curve a little bit like this, then, but they were standing away from the front of those cameras, because those cameras were on a tripod at a level on the floor, which was lower than this ramp level.

Mr. Griffin. Now, as Pierce and Maxey's car went up the ramp, did you watch it go up the ramp?

Chief Batchelor. No, sir.

Mr. Griffin. What did you do as it went up the ramp?

Chief Batchelor. I don't recall. I was up here. I was more concerned with this truck here and getting this truck out of there when this thing started.

Mr. Griffin. Did you watch Pierce and Maxey's car go through the line of newsmen?

Chief Batchelor. I saw it. I wasn't——