Mr. Cutchshaw. No; I don't. I did see them after that. He came in there, and I asked him where he had been, and he said when he came back from the cafe he went down in the basement, which is our locker room, to get some cigars.

Mr. Griffin. Where did you see him?

Mr. Cutchshaw. Down in the lobby.

Mr. Griffin. Now, then, when you congregated outside that jail office, what happened?

Mr. Cutchshaw. Captain Jones came in and told us that we were going to have to form a cordon and keep everybody out except those who are authorized, which was the police officers and the news media.

Mr. Griffin. Did he tell you anything about what you should do when Oswald came down?

Mr. Cutchshaw. He said to try to keep everybody back and not to let them get too close to him.

Mr. Griffin. You formed along one of the walls; didn't you?

Mr. Cutchshaw. I was at the door where the doors come out of the jail lobby.

Mr. Griffin. Maybe it would be easier if you took this diagram and indicate on the diagram where. Would it be easier to turn it around the other way? Indicate where you were. [Diagram marked Cutchshaw Exhibit No. 5046.]