Mr. Cutchshaw. Between the double doors and the driveway close to, I call that the north wall.
Mr. Griffin. Now, at the time Lowery arrived, was Lieutenant Swain there?
Mr. Cutchshaw. No.
Mr. Griffin. How much longer would you say after Lowery arrived did Lieutenant Swain?
Mr. Cutchshaw. Well, in the process after I got Lowery over there and we were holding them, we tried to stop two or three officers prior to that, supervisory officers, and they were in a hustle trying to get around, and they finally got Swain, and I think it was maybe 5 or 6 minutes after Lowery got there, and they got Lieutenant Swain to come over and talk to them. Not to talk, but for us to have a conference as to what to do about it.
Mr. Griffin. Now, how long did you talk with Lieutenant Swain?
Mr. Cutchshaw. Well, I imagine it was about 3 or 4 minutes.
Mr. Griffin. Did you and Lowery turn the two TV men over to Lieutenant Swain?
Mr. Cutchshaw. When I got the names and everything, Lowery started getting their names and I left.
Mr. Griffin. Did Lowery take the names down in a notebook?