Mr. Cutchshaw. No; I was standing at the edge of this swinging door holding it back for them.

Mr. Griffin. So, you were behind the swinging doors when you were holding the end of the swinging door, and you were off to the side?

Mr. Cutchshaw. Right.

Mr. Griffin. And there was nothing on part of that door which was between you and them?

Mr. Cutchshaw. No.

Mr. Griffin. How far away would you say you were from those men at that point?

Mr. Cutchshaw. About 3 feet. Maybe 2, or I could have reached out and put my hand on one of them.

Mr. Griffin. Could you see the faces of those men?

Mr. Cutchshaw. The one on the left, the one that had on a black coat, when he came through, he looked up like that and he was pushing on through.

Mr. Griffin. When you ultimately met over there, you confronted those men afterward and saw the man in the black coat, was it the same man that turned up and looked at you?