Mr. Cutchshaw. Well, that is something that is pretty hard to say, honestly, because the basement is supposed to be secured when we went down there.
In other words, everybody that wasn't supposed to be there, was supposed to be out, and they had officers checking them coming in, and me not knowing Ruby, I probably wouldn't have known him if I had been shown him on the street.
Mr. Griffin. If you knew Ruby and you both were standing there, if you knew him and you and Captain King were standing there, and you knew Captain King was looking at him too——
Mr. Cutchshaw. I would have tried to find out what he was doing, knowing he wasn't a newsman or couldn't have a news pass.
Mr. Griffin. Would you have deferred to Captain King or any other superior officer? Would you let him take the initiative on it?
Mr. Cutchshaw. I would have asked him myself if I had seen him, because that is what we were down there for.
Mr. Griffin. What I am trying to get at, and the only reason I use Captain King—I could have used Chief Batchelor or anybody like that, but my point is, that if a junior officer like you and a senior officer were standing together, is there any feeling that you would defer to the senior officer to take the initiative in throwing some guy out?
Mr. Cutchshaw. If he were in charge of me or in charge of security and if I saw Jack Ruby there and he didn't have a pass on and I knew him and knew that he was not a news representative, then if I confronted him and he said, "Chief Batchelor said it was okay," then I would have asked the chief if it was all right.
Otherwise, I wouldn't say the chief had anything to do with it and I would put him out.
Mr. Griffin. So, if you had seen him first, you would have gone directly to him and then turned to your superior officer and said what shall I do about this guy?