Mr. Cutchshaw. Did he recognize Ruby before?

Mr. Griffin. He had seen Ruby on a number of occasions, actually, didn't he before?

Mr. Cutchshaw. You mean before this happened?

Mr. Griffin. Yes.

Mr. Cutchshaw. I tell you the truth, I really don't know. I think he said he knew him, or seen him around, but as far as actual standing there, I don't know.

Mr. Griffin. Did you see Captain King in the basement at any time prior to the shooting?

Mr. Cutchshaw. Well, now, that I don't remember whether I saw him down there prior to the shooting or whether it was after. There was a whole bunch of officers down there, and, man, I do remember a few immediately right there, and someone that came out the door, because I was right there and watched them as they came out.

Mr. Griffin. Well, now, if you and Captain King had been standing together and you both saw Ruby and you both knew Ruby, what would you do?

Mr. Cutchshaw. Well, now, you mean if we saw him come into the basement, or if we saw him standing there?

Mr. Griffin. Saw him standing down there and you were both standing there together?