Mr. Kriss. No reserves were armed. We are all unarmed. Unarmed and we don't carry arms.

Mr. Hubert. Now, in looking from your position No. "2." Up the ramp, were there—can you tell us whether there were a lot of people standing in that area?

Mr. Kriss. No; I didn't. I was just—had lots of people right in this area, right about here [indicating].

Mr. Hubert. You were talking about that northeast position?

Mr. Kriss. Yes, sir; all this area right in here [indicating].

Mr. Hubert. And where the down ramp going——

Mr. Kriss. All this area right on this side. That is where they were all standing.

Mr. Hubert. Well, you can't say "this side," sir. While I understand it——

Mr. Kriss. The east side. The east side, excuse me. The east side. I keep forgetting she's taking it down.

Mr. Hubert. They were all standing up against the rail?