Mr. Kriss. Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert. Right by the television cameras.

Mr. Kriss. Right.

Mr. Hubert. Is that correct?

Mr. Kriss. Right; that's right.

Mr. Hubert. And then the ramp going from the basement down into the parking area?

Mr. Kriss. Yes; right.

Mr. Hubert. And further along toward Commerce Street along that rail?

Mr. Kriss. Yes; there was a truck there, large truck here and another car pulled up right behind the armored truck.

Mr. Hubert. Both on the Commerce Street side?