Mr. Hubert. I'm going to mark off an area in the Main Street ramp by just drawing with a pencil a square, and putting, "Area A," in it and I will ask you if you can tell us in the "Area A," marked on this map, what were the conditions with respect to the number of people and so forth. Not exactly. I know you didn't count heads, but just how crowded were the conditions?
Captain Martin. As well as I can remember there weren't too many people up in that—up that far. There were 2 or 3 cars parked in the ramp there.
Mr. Hubert. You mean in the Main Street ramp?
Captain Martin. Now, wait a minute. You have got Main Street——
Mr. Hubert. I marked this as "Area A," on Main Street?
Captain Martin. No, no; across this ramp there, there was quite a number of people.
Mr. Hubert. That is in the space I have marked "Area A"?
Captain Martin. Yes.
Mr. Hubert. Roughly how many people?
Captain Martin. Oh, I'd say 15 or 20.