Mr. Armstrong. I know he was afraid of him because he was nervous whenever Mr. Gilmore was in the club.
Mr. Hubert. Did he tell you he was afraid of him?
Mr. Armstrong. No—he would show it.
Mr. Hubert. How would he show it?
Mr. Armstrong. By—making sure that everything was perfect and if it was close to curfew then he would say all the glasses and bottles have to be off of the table by 1:15—12:15 week nights and 1:15 Saturday nights. If Mr. Gilmore was in the club at that time you would see Jack out in the audience hustling glasses and bottles off of the table, because he knew that if Mr. Gilmore saw anything or anybody drinking in there, he was subject to getting a 5-day suspension or a ten-day.
Mr. Hubert. In other words, when Gilmore was in the club he enforced the rules more strictly than when Gilmore was not in the club?
Mr. Armstrong. Watch over it more strictly, which is something that most club owners do when there are vice squad members in the clubs.
Mr. Hubert. Then, was the relationship between Ruby and Gilmore different from the relationship of Ruby and any other member of the vice squad?
Mr. Armstrong. No; you see, the only time—no; not any different, because if there was any other member of the vice squad in there, which Mr. Gilmore is the only one I know by name, is because he is the one that most people fear.
Mr. Hubert. You mean he has the reputation of being tougher than any of the other members of the vice squad?