Mr. Griffin. Was this one of the two men you have been talking about from California or were these two men different, from California?
Mr. Crafard. I don’t recall; it might have been. He might have been from California. But these two men were not photographers. They come in, it looked to me, it appeared to me to be businessmen, fellows——
Mr. Hubert. Did they have long conversations with Ruby?
Mr. Crafard. Not in my presence. Not when they were around the club. They was never in the club with him more than 5 or 10 minutes when they were there.
Mr. Hubert. What would happen, they would come in and talk to him?
Mr. Crafard. They would come in and he might have some phone calls to make or something and they would stay there while he made the phone calls and then they would leave.
Mr. Hubert. Do you know where they went?
Mr. Crafard. No, sir.
Mr. Griffin. Jack would go out with them?
Mr. Crafard. Yes, sir.