Mr. Hubert. I was just wondering how you formed the impression that he was a pretty strong man, considering his size.

Mr. Crafard. Well, for as heavy a man as he was, he was pretty solid for one thing; he was fairly solid.

Mr. Hubert. You could tell that by looking at him?

Mr. Crafard. Yes.

Mr. Hubert. I suppose you have seen him with his coat off or something.

Mr. Crafard. I saw him with just his pants and a T-shirt on, or an undershirt and pants, on one occasion when I went to his house. He shaved and he said something and I stepped over to the bathroom door; I couldn’t hear. He repeated it and I stepped back and sat down and watched television and then he went ahead and got cleaned up.

Mr. Hubert. Did he carry a gun?

Mr. Crafard. He had one in the car. He very seldom carried it on his person.

Mr. Hubert. Where did he keep it in the car?

Mr. Crafard. Usually in the trunk; it was in a money pouch, a money sack, which usually stayed in the trunk.