Mr. Crafard. I don’t know that, either.
Mr. Hubert. You don’t know?
Mr. Crafard. It must have been 3 or 4 hours. Probably about halfway between Chicago and Lansing.
Mr. Hubert. Do you think you were with him about 8 hours, then?
Mr. Crafard. I think so; I’m not sure.
Mr. Hubert. And he picked you up about dark?
Mr. Crafard. Yes; that is about a 400- or 500-mile ride.
Mr. Hubert. He picked you up about dark in Chicago?
Mr. Crafard. Just about toward dark.
Mr. Hubert. Five in the afternoon?