Mr. Crafard. From Mount Pleasant to Clare.

Mr. Hubert. No; I’m talking about the run to Mount Pleasant.

Mr. Griffin. From Lansing to Mount Pleasant.

Mr. Hubert. A point outside of Lansing to Mount Pleasant. That is about a 4-hour run, you say.

Mr. Crafard. At the most, from Lansing to Clare.

Mr. Hubert. That last long hitch was about a 4-hour hitch?

Mr. Crafard. No; the last long ride was maybe 2½ hours.

Mr. Hubert. 2½ hours?

Mr. Crafard. Or 3 hours.

Mr. Hubert. And that was the man who brought you into Mount Pleasant?