Mr. Crafard. Mount Pleasant.

Mr. Hubert. Therefore, if you got to Mount Pleasant about 8, he must have picked you up about 5 in the afternoon.

Mr. Crafard. It must have been.

Mr. Hubert. Then there is some mistake in timing of about 12 hours.

Mr. Crafard. That is what I was saying. I’ve lost some time there.

Mr. Hubert. Perhaps it needs a little clarifying. Let me touch on another point.

Mr. Crafard. It seems to me I got mixed up on my routes going out of Oklahoma City.

Mr. Hubert. Think about it a moment and let me touch upon something else before we go back to it. I think you said that you heard that Ruby had done this on the morning of the 25th.

Mr. Crafard. That is right.

Mr. Hubert. Now, could you tell us how you heard it? Did you hear it by newspaper, radio, television, or what?