Mr. Griffin. When you saw Jack come forward with the gun in his hand, did you hear anybody say anything?
Mr. Graves. I heard noise. There was a racing of a motor and noises, talking going on. As I say, my attention had been directed to that car, and we had already turned, looked in that direction and something could have been said, but as I said, I heard noises but just exactly what was said I wasn’t able to determine.
Mr. Griffin. What do you remember doing when Jack came forward with the gun?
Mr. Graves. I remember going after the gun. Just the moment I saw him, that is what I actually did, was go for the gun.
Mr. Griffin. And did you wrestle with him? With Jack?
Mr. Graves. Yes.
Mr. Griffin. Will you tell us what you remember Jack Ruby doing from the time you saw him and while you wrestled with him and so forth?
Mr. Graves. Well, I grabbed his arm by the wrist with my left hand, and grabbed right over the gun with my right hand simultaneously.
Mr. Griffin. You grabbed the arm holding the gun?
Mr. Graves. Yes; and jerked it down and across my leg and turned my back to him, and, of course, he was trying to pull back, and was squeezing on that trigger like so [indicating].