I had his wrist here [indicating], and I could feel it, and I remember saying, “turn it loose. Turn it loose.” You know, like that.

Mr. Griffin. Now, you are making a motion like you are twisting his arm?

Mr. Graves. Yes; I was. See, I had it like this, and I had got that arm and then twisted that gun like that [indicating], right out of his hand, see.

Mr. Griffin. Let me indicate for the record that you have shown that you twisted his arm 180°.

Mr. Graves. Until he released it.

Mr. Griffin. Until he released the gun?

Mr. Graves. Yes.

Mr. Griffin. How long was it from the time you released—grabbed his arm until he released the gun?

Mr. Graves. Just a matter of seconds.

Mr. Griffin. It was not a long struggle?