Mr. Graves. As I say, I just heard rumors going around, and at this point I don’t really remember who related it to me, but—there was rumors that he——
Mr. Griffin. Do you remember as you got back there what the first rumor was that you heard circulating?
Mr. Graves. Yes; that he slipped in the basement by a squad car when they drove out the north ramp.
Mr. Griffin. You heard this when you got back to the——
Mr. Graves. Sometime after I got back. Just exactly when, I don’t know, but that got around shortly after. It could have been 2 or 3 hours later, I don’t know.
Mr. Griffin. What was the next rumor that you heard?
Mr. Graves. Well, I don’t know. I heard that Chief Batchelor and a couple of the detectives had walked down the ramp and Ruby walked in with them, and I heard that he probably had a pass.
Mr. Griffin. And——
Mr. Graves. Press pass, and he used that on one of the officers at the door to get in. You can hear everything.
Mr. Griffin. When did you first hear the rumor that he had walked down the Main Street ramp?