Mr. Huffaker. Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert. Will you agree with me, too, that looking at the mockup, there is a railing which runs between those two posts marked (1) and (2) and that that railing is divided by horizontal poles, approximately equidistant from one another and from the two main posts?

Mr. Huffaker. Yes.

Mr. Hubert. So that I’m going to mark, at a point which may not be mathematically correct, but is intended to be as a number (3), the position of one of the vertical rails of the railing and the other number (4) as the other vertical rail. Now, as you pointed out the matter to me on the mockup, am I correct in saying that you were at this point?

Mr. Huffaker. Let me see—yes, sir; that’s correct.

Mr. Hubert. I am marking the point with a number (5) in a circle, and I ask you if that is not approximately where you were standing at the time of the shooting and for a period of perhaps 15 to 20 minutes prior thereto?

Mr. Huffaker. Well, now, you have the (5) in contact with the railing almost, and I was farther away from the railing, however, its position relation to its distance between point (1) and (2) and point (3) and (4) is correct. However, it was a little farther from the railing.

Mr. Hubert. How many inches or feet from the railing toward the jail office or jail corridor were you standing, in fact?

Mr. Huffaker. Well, to the best of my knowledge, I was probably about—approximately 4 feet from the rail.

Mr. Hubert. Now, I have written in my own hand and connected it with a line to point (5) the following, “position of R. S. Huffaker, Jr., at the time of shooting, but he was 4 feet from railing.”