Mr. Turner. That’s right.
Mr. Hubert. But you are willing to say that he was standing at the front row of the group of people congregated there for possibly 5 seconds before he moved forward to shoot Oswald?
Mr. Turner. That’s right, that’s right.
Mr. Hubert. And you judge that the time that you saw him standing still, 5 seconds before this shooting of Oswald, was approximately 15 to 20 seconds after you first saw him in that position “10”?
Mr. Turner. I am vague about that time. Ten seconds or 20 seconds. I am very vague. I mean, but I know he was only there a short time, because I saw—we were on guard to try to move the newsmen out of our way, push them out of the way in front of the camera, and you kind of thrash around at the movement of them to keep on your shot, and that is how I come to notice another man up there. These three men are the only ones that I remember on that side except our man Pettit. There could have been more. There was some CBS cameramen over in this locality, but they had already been there, and that wasn’t in my mind at all, the ones that were actually stationed there. It was the movement of people at that time that made you look at it.
Mr. Hubert. All right, let’s get a little bit more about this period for Jack Ruby to move from the position you have marked “10”, to the position you have marked “12”, when he was standing in the front line. Did he have to go through any great mass of people?
Mr. Turner. No, not to my knowledge, because I didn’t see a great number of men up in there.
Mr. Hubert. Did he have to push, or shoulder his way up there?
Mr. Turner. No.
Mr. Hubert. He could just walk up and get into that position?