Mr. Turner. That’s right. There was some more men out there in this area, but I can’t connect it at this point.
Mr. Hubert. What I want to get at, from what you tell me the group was not such that he would have to bulldoze his way through?
Mr. Turner. No; he just flat walked up.
Mr. Hubert. Just once, again for the record. There can be no doubt in your mind but the man now identified as Jack Ruby is the man you saw at position “10”?
Mr. Turner. Correct.
Mr. Hubert. All right; now, during our interview, immediately preceding the commencement of this deposition you mentioned another person that you had seen around the court building on several occasions, and I should like now—in other words, tell what you know about this person when you first saw him, now, at the numerous occasions on which you saw him until the last time that you saw him?
Mr. Turner. All right. All right. We arrived from Fort Bliss at approximately 1 a.m. Saturday, the 23d of November, from Fort Worth, to set up our mobile unit inside the jail for a coverage of the assassination of the President, and when we arrived there we—there was this man that resembled John Carradine of the movies quite a lot. He was very thin faced, around 40 to 50, carrying a portfolio, and another little bag with him. Looked like a shaving kit bag, or something of that effect. He—as soon as we got there, it was chilly, and we went inside the open doors on the Commerce Street side, and he was standing inside, and he immediately started talking to us about various things which we passed off as just an average person talking to you, finding out what you were doing and everything, and he talked to us about 15 or 20 minutes. He did mention in his conversation that he had been a school teacher prior to that, about 16 months before.
Mr. Hubert. Now, did he have a press badge on?
Mr. Turner. No, he had no badge on. He was wearing a light trenchcoat or topcoat.
Mr. Hubert. What height was he?