Mr. Hubert. Did you test it prior to the shooting?
Mr. Pierce. Not prior to the shooting.
Mr. Hubert. You——
Mr. Pierce. I saw that the gate was across the corridor, as it should be. I was on the first floor, a matter of walking about as far as from here, a little further to the wall, and I didn’t walk up to it prior to the shooting to see that it was locked, but it was in place and latched.
Mr. Hubert. Could have been open?
Mr. Pierce. It was locked. That lock—when that latch was engaged, it was in place, latched.
Mr. Hubert. From what you could see of it, then—although you didn’t come up to it, but came to within a distance, which I suggest to you now from the reference you made a moment ago was about 40 feet, 30 feet?
Mr. Pierce. 60 foot, probably.
Mr. Hubert. You came to within 60 feet of it, and you saw that the latch was in?
Mr. Pierce. In place and latched, and in that position the door is locked.