Mrs. Carlin. Yes.
Mr. Hubert. I take it you prefer not to use it yourself?
Mrs. Carlin. Yes.
Mr. Hubert. Was it obscene?
Mrs. Carlin. Yes; and she said, “Well, I had already told you that I was going to be late and you were supposed to let the band know, and you are blaming me.” And Jack said something else like, “Hurry up and get your ass dressed.”
Mr. Hubert. And there again you used an obscene term which I take it you don’t care to use yourself, in reference to her?
Mrs. Carlin. Yes; and she then turned around and jumped on him and said, “If you can let Joy Dale hold out a whole week and make all of us suffer, you can damn sure wait on me.” And he said, “You are not going to con me. You may con other people, but you are not going to con me.” And he stormed out of the room. So the following show she was deliberately late, and he came back and raised cane again, and he said something about he was going to fire her if she didn’t straighten up, that she thought she could use him, and that is about all that was said. They kept fussing back and forth and calling each other names.
Mr. Hubert. I take it from that that his manifestation of temper was first in the use of obscenity, and second in a loud tone of voice?
Mrs. Carlin. Yes; screaming.
Mr. Hubert. Did he manifest on that occasion or any occasion that he might use physical force, or did he ever as a matter of fact?