Mrs. Carlin. No; I never saw him raise his hand to hit anybody or anything like that, although with Tammi, he did say he would throw her down the stairs if she didn’t straighten up. And she said, “I don’t have to leave. I have a contract.” And he said, “That contract don’t mean a God damn thing.”

Mr. Jackson. You don’t have to use those words.

Mr. Hubert. I think you said that that was one example. Do you have any others?

Mrs. Carlin. With Joy Dale.

Mr. Hubert. Could you tell us about that?

Mrs. Carlin. It was about the same thing. She had came back to work and was supposed to be pregnant and sick, and she was dying, so she came in, she was late for her first show, and Jack didn’t say anything, and all of us girls were mad and wouldn’t talk to her. So she did her first show, and she was supposed to be hurting bad and she wanted to get out of the second show, and just came back from the week after staying out, and she went to Jack, and you could hear her plumb to the opposite office.

There was a wall, and you could hear her there fussing and cussing because she wanted to take off the second show. And he told her she had been off a week and he couldn’t afford to pay her salary when she wasn’t doing a job at all. And he said, “If you don’t like your job, you know what you could do.”

Mr. Hubert. Was that an indication that there might have been some relationship between them other than business?

Mrs. Carlin. Yes. Well, I know it wasn’t hearsay. I know that they were going together, and Joy was using this over his head.

Mr. Jackson. How do you know this?