Mrs. Carlin. She told me, and also Jack made indications that he was going with her.

Mr. Hubert. That she went to his apartment or he went to hers?

Mrs. Carlin. Only what Joy would tell me, and Joy was a big liar. She was known to lie about things that she had no reason to lie about. She would lie about men making passes just to make the girls ask her questions and be the center of attention, so I wouldn’t say she was telling the truth when she said anything.

Mr. Hubert. Had you ever met Jack’s sister, Eva Grant?

Mrs. Carlin. No.

Mr. Hubert. You know of her?

Mrs. Carlin. Yes.

Mr. Hubert. You never met her?

Mrs. Carlin. After the President’s killing, I did.

Mr. Hubert. How did you come to meet her then?