Mr. Griffin. Was it something he had told you?
Mr. Senator. No, no. But he had no say any more. So I don’t know how to classify his sitting there, just being there with no say any more, no nothing. After all, when he originally started, he was the leadman, you know, and then all the things materialized after that.
Mr. Griffin. How many times would you say you saw Jack Ruby in his jail cell between the time that he shot Oswald and the time that he was tried, actually went to trial, in Dallas?
Mr. Senator. How many times?
Mr. Griffin. Yes.
Mr. Senator. A guess?
Mr. Griffin. Yes. Your best estimate. Try to give some thought to it.
Mr. Senator. Let me see now. I would say maybe 10 or 15 times, I would guess.
Mr. Griffin. Did you notice any change in him over this period of time?
Mr. Senator. Sure.