Mr. Griffin. There came a time when Howard was no longer part of the case?
Mr. Senator. He was part of the case; he was still part of the case when I left, you know, but how big his say was I don’t know.
Mr. Griffin. When you got back for the trial, however, he was not a part of the case; is that correct?
Mr. Senator. Yes; I think he was out of it before I got back. I am not sure, but I think he was. I don’t think he was in the case.
Mr. Griffin. When you returned for the trial, did you have occasion to talk with Howard at all?
Mr. Senator. I saw him on certain occasions.
Mr. Griffin. Did you ever learn how he happened to get out of the case?
Mr. Senator. Well, he got out of the case—I mean I really don’t know, but I feel he got out of the case because he was—there was nothing, practically, to speak of. I guess that is about the best way to describe him. He had no say.
Mr. Griffin. Was it something he had told you?
Mr. Senator. What?