Mr. Griffin. Do you know Alex Gruber?
Mr. Senator. No. As I say, I may know him by face, but I am not familiar with the name.
Mr. Griffin. I am going to hand you Exhibit 5305-M and ask you if you recognize the names on there. I might state for the record that 5305-L is a duplicate of 5305-K, and that is why I didn’t hand it to the witness.
Mr. Senator. Here it says Nick Turman. The reason I say that, I happen to know somebody by the name of Buddy Turman.
Mr. Griffin. Who is Buddy Turman?
Mr. Senator. Buddy Turman, I believe, is out on the West Coast. He used to be the light heavyweight or heavyweight champion of Texas, a real fine fellow. That is why I say I don’t know Nick.
Mr. Griffin. Now, was he a friend of Jack’s?
Mr. Senator. Yes, he was of Jack’s sure.
Mr. Griffin. Did you meet Turman through Jack?
Mr. Senator. Oh, yes.