Mr. Griffin. Through Jack?
Mr. Senator. I don’t know if I met Turman through Jack. No, I met him some other place. I met him some other place. I can’t think where I met him, but I didn’t meet him through Jack, but I have seen him at Jack’s place. As a matter of fact, he has helped Jack every now and then. This Nick Turman, I don’t know if this is related to him or what it is. I am not familiar with the name Nick. You have got a Norma here, and I know a name Norma, and I can’t place it; I wonder if this is somebody who ever worked for him, Norma.
Mr. Griffin. Did Buddy Turman have any particular dealings, that you know of, with Jack Ruby in the last month or so before——
Mr. Senator. Oh, Buddy has been gone quite a while. He went to the West Coast. As a matter of fact, the last time I saw Buddy he said he was going to the West Coast to train, because from there—now I don’t know if it ever materialized—from there he was going to England to fight. I can’t think of that heavyweight fighter.
Mr. Griffin. Bruce Wilcox?
Mr. Senator. No. Name a couple more. This one fighter didn’t fight too long ago. You may have seen him on TV. He is the type that fights very awkward, and sort of a slap, like. Do you remember who that is?
Mr. Griffin. No, I don’t. Now, did Jack Ruby have an interest in prizefighting?
Mr. Senator. No. I would say that he liked the fights. He liked to watch them.
Mr. Griffin. But he never expressed any particular interest to you?
Mr. Senator. No, but he liked to watch the fights.