Mr. Ruby. Well, he makes the camera shutters, camera shutter parts for me, and I saw him in Chicago a little more than a year ago. I stopped in to discuss changing—it is probably a year-and-a-half ago—changing the die for one of the parts.
Mr. Hubert. Have you had any telephone conversations with him in that interval, during that period?
Mr. Ruby. Yes; I think I did.
Mr. Hubert. What would it have been about?
Mr. Ruby. Only about tools and dies. In fact, I tried to sell him the tools and dies for the nameplate.
Mr. Hubert. When was that?
Mr. Ruby. Right after I took it over from Mr. Oliff.
Mr. Hubert. It would have been about a little over 2 years ago?
Mr. Ruby. Yes; and then I would have to talk to him once in awhile about ordering the parts, if I were in Chicago I would call him and tell him what I need or something like that. But I know him as Mario Anesi.
Mr. Hubert. And you do know as far as your memory serves you, either a person called Anesi Umberto or a person called Mario Umberto?