Mr. Ruby. No.
Mr. Hubert. Here is your return for 1960. It might refresh your memory.
Mr. Ruby. This was sent, I think, to organize the Sovereign Club, and within 6 months the corporation folded or whatever it was, I don’t recall exactly. And a new corporation was formed. I can’t think of the new name, because I was out of the picture then.
Mr. Hubert. What I was trying to get at is, first of all, how you had a judgment, how you came to get a judgment against Ralph Paul in connection with the organization of the Sovereign Club.
Mr. Ruby. I sent the money down, but Jack, if I recall, asked me to send it.
Mr. Hubert. Suppose we approach it in another way.
Mr. Ruby. I don’t recall the complete details on it.
Mr. Hubert. Tell us how you came to be financially interested, or at least to advance money to Jack in connection with a club, the organization of a club.
Mr. Ruby. He called me and told me he needed some money for a good deal club that was going to be organized or taken over or something. It was some other club before.
Mr. Hubert. Did he tell you then how much he needed?