Mr. Ruby. Gee, I lived in Chicago all my life. I have got any number of friends that went to school there but that name still doesn’t sound familiar.

Mr. Griffin. Are your children of college age?

Mr. Ruby. No; the oldest one is only 15.

Mr. Griffin. Do you have anyone who has access to your house phone or business phone?

Mr. Ruby. The only thing I can think of, I don’t know, is he a music teacher?

Mr. Griffin. This is what I am asking you. Do you know a music teacher?

Mr. Ruby. My wife was trying to contact a music teacher at Northwestern to send my children to him for piano lessons.

Mr. Griffin. When was that? I mean, how long ago was this?

Mr. Ruby. It has got to be 3 years ago.

Mr. Griffin. This is while you lived in Chicago?