Mr. Ruby. Yes; that is the only thing I can think of. Or if he has anything to do with music teaching there, that is the only reason I can think of.

Mr. Hubert. Suppose we get this into the record. Could you give us the names of the people who would have had access to the telephones at the Cobo Cleaners, and who might have made long distance calls during the years 1962 and 1963?

Mr. Ruby. Any one of our employees could have. It would be very difficult. I could give you the list, but there is quite a few.

Mr. Hubert. Would an employee make a long-distance call without your consent?

Mr. Ruby. No; I don’t think so.

Mr. Hubert. Who would be authorized to make it without clearing with you first, let’s put it that way?

Mr. Ruby. Anyone; anyone probably other than my wife or my partner that I can think of. That is about all.

Mr. Hubert. You mean by that that the only ones who would be authorized without clearing it first would be your partner and your wife?

Mr. Ruby. Yes; for very long-distance calls. Now we call the suburbs as I told you, Pontiac, Walled Lake, or Mount Clemens. Those are 25¢ or 30¢ calls. Because we cover that area and our trucks go there, our call girl will be calling them any number of times during the month.

Mr. Hubert. How many employees did you have during this period? I know it would vary, but an average?