Mr. Ruby. Yes; he said several people were trying to contact him through Howard and wanted a life story.

Mr. Griffin. The first you heard about this, though, was when Jack called you and asked you to contact Mike Shore?

Mr. Ruby. Yes; as far as I know. Now, wait—I don’t know if he talked to me or he talked to one of the members of the family, because we had so many telephone calls from those first few days I can’t recall all of them. But, anyhow, the word came to me to call Mike Shore and ask his advice.

Mr. Griffin. Now, do you recall how long after Oswald was shot that this call of yours took place?

Mr. Ruby. Oh, just a day or two later, I think.

Mr. Griffin. And I take it you did call Mike Shore?

Mr. Ruby. Yes; I did.

Mr. Griffin. Did you call him in California?

Mr. Ruby. Yes; I called him in California.

Mr. Griffin. And about how long did your conversation with Shore last?