Mr. Ruby. Several minutes.
Mr. Griffin. Ten or fifteen minutes?
Mr. Ruby. I don’t know. I really don’t know. Anyhow, I don’t remember.
Mr. Griffin. Now, tell us what that conversation was.
Mr. Ruby. Well, I mentioned that Jack had said that people were interested in a story on Jack and Jack had said to contact him, ask his advice. And so he says, “Gee, that is a coincidence,” he says, “because I’ve got somebody sitting right here in my office that would be the perfect man to do a story on Jack if one is going to be done.” And he says, “His name is Billy Woodfield.” His real name is William Woodfield. So he says, “I think you ought to come out here,” the conversation got to that, “so we can talk it over.”
So I flew out there a day or two later.
Mr. Griffin. Was that all there was to the conversation at that time?
Mr. Ruby. Yes; lawyers weren’t mentioned yet as far as I remember. I don’t think we mentioned the lawyer in the first conversation.
Mr. Griffin. Had you discussed with your family or with Tom Howard before you called Mike Shore——
Mr. Ruby. Yes.