Mr. Griffin. What had been your discussion about selling the life story with your family and with Tom Howard?
Mr. Ruby. Well, the question came up that we would need money for a good lawyer, and this was one of the solutions to raising money.
Mr. Griffin. Before you called Mike Shore, are you saying that you had discussed getting a lawyer other than Tom Howard, or when you use the term good lawyer are you talking about paying Howard?
Mr. Ruby. No: we were talking about a lawyer other than Howard now.
Mr. Griffin. Who had suggested that you should get a lawyer other than Howard or how did that idea arise?
Mr. Ruby. That was, I think, between our family, the family itself.
Mr. Griffin. And did you discuss this with Howard before you called Mike Shore?
Mr. Ruby. Wait, you are ahead of me. The first conversation I didn’t mention a lawyer to Mike Shore yet.
Mr. Griffin. I realize that.
Mr. Ruby. Yes.