And then I went home, I flew back to Detroit.

By the time I got to Detroit they had tried to contact me to get some more information on the story. I mentioned this to Tom Howard and he denied it.

Mr. Griffin. Was his denial a flat denial?

Mr. Ruby. Yes, yes; you know, complete, and you know. However, I think it was the fellow at the Saturday Evening Post that said—now I have given all this to the special agents or, I think, the Treasury Department.

Mr. Griffin. Yes.

Mr. Ruby. The Saturday Evening Post man said, “Well, let them come in front of me in my office and deny it.”

But, of course, we never brought it to a head. But, anyhow, I don’t know what happened. They never told me, of course, as you know.

Mr. Griffin. Do you recall the name of the Saturday Evening Post man in Dallas that Howard allegedly contacted.

Mr. Ruby. No; I did originally but I think I gave it to the agents.

Mr. Griffin. Did you talk personally to this man from the Saturday Evening Post who claims he talked to Howard?