Even Belli mentioned that he couldn’t get across to Jack all the time, and Burleson mentioned to me several times that Jack is off his rocker. This was, you know——
Mr. Griffin. Was this after the verdict or before?
Mr. Ruby. No; before. He says, “Your brother is off his rocker. He has got himself involved with all the Jews all over the world and he doesn’t know what he is talking about,” but my brother did know what he was talking about. It was Burleson who didn’t understand. Because in order to understand—it is a Jewish problem—and most Jews would understand it.
Burleson, not being familiar with this, it just went over his head. I didn’t even think of it then but he kept telling me, “Your brother has got himself all mixed up with all the Jews all over the world and he is off his rocker.” That was the statement he made several times to me.
Mr. Griffin. I would like to explore this with you at some length if you don’t mind.
Mr. Ruby. That is why I brought this with me. I have all of this in here.
Mr. Griffin. Let me try to ask you some questions first and then we will get into the papers that you have brought. You say there was a disagreement, that you disagreed with Burleson’s appraisal of your brother’s involvement with the Jewish question.
Mr. Ruby. He couldn’t explain it. So, really, I didn’t understand it myself. I didn’t know what he was talking about at the time.
Mr. Griffin. You subsequently did come to learn what he was talking about, I take it?
Mr. Ruby. Yes; it wasn’t until somebody brought it to my attention, really.