In fact, the only violation he has, from what I could gather, was being open after hours, and carrying concealed weapons which, from what I understand, they don’t need a permit in Dallas, you know, when he carried large sums of money.

Other than that—you must understand I was away from him, practically from the time he went to Dallas until the incident. I only saw him for short periods of time.

Mr. Griffin. Did you ever hear of the Dave Miller gang?

Mr. Ruby. Oh, yes.

Mr. Griffin. What was the Dave Miller gang?

Mr. Ruby. Well, I read about them in the paper. I was just a school kid then, but that was a gang that hung around Dave Miller’s fight gymnasium, that is all I can remember. But I know something like that existed.

Mr. Griffin. How did they get newspaper publicity?

Mr. Ruby. I don’t know.

Mr. Griffin. Did Jack have anything to do with those people?

Mr. Ruby. He used to hang around Dave Miller’s gym but he was Barney Ross’ follower like, and I think Barney Ross trained there and so he was very close with him.