Mr. Griffin. Did any of you object to that insistence by your mother?

Mr. Ruby. No; nothing because there wasn’t too much to object to, because it was the same food. I mean there is really nothing—however, if we would take the wrong utensil, you know, because there are two separate ones, we would be bawled out for taking the wrong one.

Mr. Griffin. Well, Jack during the time that he was in Chicago lived for various periods outside the home, didn’t he?

Mr. Ruby. Yes.

Mr. Griffin. For example, I believe he lived with either Sam Gordon or Alex Gruber in a separate apartment in Chicago in the early thirties. Do you recall that?

Mr. Ruby. I know he lived with Gruber but I don’t know how long.

Mr. Griffin. Well——

Mr. Ruby. Because it was in the early thirties, I was going to high school.

Mr. Griffin. Was there any particular reason why Jack did not want to live with the family?

Mr. Ruby. None that I can remember. There may have been, but I may not be, you know, I wasn’t aware of it.