Mrs. Grant. I never heard of them—I never heard of them.

Mr. Hubert. You never heard of them?

Mrs. Grant. No, sir.

Mr. Hubert. Did you ever know of any connection that Jack might have had with those people?

Mrs. Grant. It wasn’t a close connection. We knew some Jaffes—I mean, as kids—they were in the undertaking business, but I haven’t heard of them in years.

Mr. Hubert. Did you know a daughter of Sam Jaffe whose name was Charlotte and she married Sam Chavin?

Mrs. Grant. No, sir; I can’t recall.

Mr. Hubert. Then there was another daughter who married Erwin Berke.

Mrs. Grant. What was her first name? Can I ask you a question—how far back does the names go?

Mr. Hubert. This would have been around the period of the war—1942 to 1946.